tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post4659074694169721202..comments2023-08-25T20:16:39.733+05:30Comments on Being Cynical: Open Letter To The Hindu CommunityTeam Being Cynicalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05971979603726959527noreply@blogger.comBlogger174125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-81295620771888492013-09-06T02:47:45.682+05:302013-09-06T02:47:45.682+05:30Well even in Congress there are a lot of Hindus bu...Well even in Congress there are a lot of Hindus but are scared to call themselves Hindu. <br />The Hindus are a divided lot and they can never get united because it is not in our blood.<br />If you look in retrospect history we have never lived like a nation but only as different kingdoms.<br />But the religion has always prevailed whether Hindu, Jain or Buddhist.<br />We have been always fighting for our ideologies and not for the nation. There has not been any cohesive trend in our culture. We have always scoffed at each other and been zealots.<br />Even today we call ourselves as Aryasamajis,Sanatanis, Shaivaites, Vaishnavites, Jains & what not. The new trend is schedule and dalits. Tell me are we or our ancestors not responsible for such miserable state of affairs of division in our society.<br />Invaders and outsiders always took advantage of our disunity and ruled us for centuries and still we have not risen from our deep slumbers. did we ever show our patriotism for our nation or sincerity to our heritage. Has it been ther the foreigners would not have taken our precious heritagei.e.our scriptures and made use of themfor their advantage.<br />We have no belief in our own ancient knowledge and are following the throw aways from western culture.<br />We have lost our values and thus let us suffer silently for our own faults and not blame others for what they are doing. <br />Will we atleast wake up now and fight for our rights. Our intellentia isa mental slave of West.Umed Mehtanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-52204330926794730262013-04-23T11:56:12.075+05:302013-04-23T11:56:12.075+05:30Hindustan ke 4 Sipahi - Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Isai!...Hindustan ke 4 Sipahi - Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Isai!<br />Need is to get them together as they stand divided by politics!Chilgozaanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-36778237082903248802013-04-23T11:51:47.101+05:302013-04-23T11:51:47.101+05:30I always respect Islam as a religion and revere Mu...I always respect Islam as a religion and revere Muslims as a community. The views expressed above are of a true India irrespective of his religion. It is not the religion but the wrong preaching or wrong interpretation of the religion that creates hatred. Had the world made only for a particular community and only one GOD supreme, he might not have allowed other religions to even born. So, we are first humans and something else later. Let us respect each other's religion, faith, community and be an India first.<br /><br /><br />By<br />A Hindu by Birth, a Human Being by educationChilgozaanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-64579370399983896962012-11-15T08:30:33.429+05:302012-11-15T08:30:33.429+05:30By ur tone it looks your religion also cant promot...By ur tone it looks your religion also cant promote secularism..Mayank Batrahttp://twitter.com/mayank2408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-88958860635500612202012-10-25T23:26:15.903+05:302012-10-25T23:26:15.903+05:30There is one party that sees all religions as EQUA...There is one party that sees all religions as EQUALlly useless...communist party!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-13227962127614105772012-10-17T05:32:11.639+05:302012-10-17T05:32:11.639+05:30@ Dear Ashutosh and @Dr. Vikas Dave,
I reall...@ Dear Ashutosh and @Dr. Vikas Dave,<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />I really understand and admire what Hindus have given to us<br />(I am talking about myself and not for other Muslims), I do acknowledge and<br />admit that what so far I have earned is from Hindus and I do not see myself<br />separate by any means from Hindu society, even though I am strict follower of<br />my religion.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />I am educated enough to make clear separation between my faith<br />Islam and my fellow Indian citizens, my neighbor and so many childhood Hindu friends,<br />in short why I should separate all of them from me just because they don’t share my religion, it<br />is idiotic and nonsense if I do that. What I follow as region is deferent then<br />Hindu style but that’s not a differentiator between me and my few Indian<br />citizens.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />But you all are right most of my Muslim brothers may not<br />share the same understanding as me and I urge you all to think little deeper<br />that why do they not share or have this kind of understanding.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />And the answer you’ll find is not because they are extremist<br />but because they are uneducated, separated by the society and headed by the<br />people how is even worst in understanding, they don’t have proper guidance,<br />they are very good instrument for political parties for votes and by other<br />educated society for their blue or black collar jobs, western countries to sell<br />weapons and to gain power, money and petrol, and rest all just seating and<br />screaming on them for not being well part of their society. I will ask where is<br />the opportunity for them to come and stand with all of us.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Now I wanted to make my point very carefully, please<br />REMEMBER I am not trying to finger point here on my Hindu brothers. Now take an<br />example for the group of casts in Hindu who shares almost similar lifestyle, mentality<br />and situations, and if you look closely you’ll find the same reasons for their<br />current status, and so do Muslims, but you don’t notice those part of Hindu<br />casts because we normally don’t see our own back easily. But since Muslims is standing<br />other side we all can see it very clearly.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />I wanted to request all my Hindu brothers with all respect<br />and humbleness that we wanted your helping hand not only for Muslims but if<br />possible for all others who is sharing the same situation as Muslims to provide<br />them more opportunity, welcome them versus separate them, try to remove all differences<br />from our heart and mind and accept them. <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />I know I sound little impossible here, but believe it is<br />possible. I will give you my example, I was worst hit of 2002 Gujarat riots,<br />the place where I used to live in Kalupur Ahmedabad as Paying Guest was burnt<br />down, I saw many people injured and many crying for their lives and loved once,<br />but I never let hatred grown in my heart or mind, because I know that it is<br />done by few people not by all Hindus, and by grace of god all Hindus I know<br />they loves me, they extended their hands for help when I was hit in riots.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />But unfortunately not all Muslims are lucky enough to have<br />love and support like I have, and I do understand, it is because their action<br />is also not very welcoming most of the time. <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />In nutshell I strongly believe that all Muslim can be part<br />of very harmonious one society and that is what teaching of Islam and Quran,<br />and I pray to God that one day all Muslim will be educated. They’ll understand how<br />beautiful it is to be part of one family. <br /><br /><br />ONLY THING THEY NEED IS SOME RESPECTIVE SPACE IN YOUR HEART<br />AND MIND.<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU ALL MY<br />HINDU BROTHERS AND SISTERS FOR GIVING ME WONDERFUL TREATMENT AND OPPORTUNITY IN<br />THE LAND OF TRUE HUMANBEING WHICH WE CALL INDIA, HINDUSTAN AND BHARAT…<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Jai Hind (Salam to my mother land India)<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Ek Hopeful MuslimEk True Muslimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-79164016902027146692012-09-29T11:33:32.960+05:302012-09-29T11:33:32.960+05:30Dear sir,
It is well written peice but fundamental...Dear sir,<br />It is well written peice but fundamentally flawed.20 years ago I have seen posters " Garv se kaho hum hindu hai" Coming from south I wondered which hindu says I am a hindu he says I am aste brahmin ,a thakur.The sir names in north refer to the caste and you are called by your caste name- tiwari,gupta,singhal,yadav sinha etc castiesm is the bane of the hindu religion.<br />Dont club Christians with muslims who follow a dogmatic faith.<br />RSS is not viewed as a hindu organisation but brahminical organisation .Swarupnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-64864516113582895652012-09-21T23:43:10.099+05:302012-09-21T23:43:10.099+05:30Hi,
you know why there is so much of unity in Mus...Hi,<br /><br />you know why there is so much of unity in Muslims, because they are afraid of being ruined if they scattered themselves. <br />But I believe Hindu does not need such unity to protect themselves. Well regarding showing Hindu community power to political parties then I have a best solution - let's go out and vote, Muslims ki phir kya aukaat hai ki khaali unke dam per koi pura election jeet jaye. Because being muslim I also like to live in equal society, growth of the country where my next all generation will be living, and all of those dreams which might be with one middle class Hindu has....<br /><br />BC, I am very big fan of your political views and writing guts, but please don't divide country. <br /><br />I know you'll say read this article carefully and you don't find anywhere which divides us, but this subject itself passively does that...<br /><br /><br />Ek Dukhi Muslim...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-71771097702070445912012-09-20T19:15:31.224+05:302012-09-20T19:15:31.224+05:30@Srinivas
Thanks for reasoning out my views, thoug...@Srinivas<br />Thanks for reasoning out my views, though your effort might just land you as non-secularist. :(Sunder Ramannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-69840120292530178422012-09-20T16:26:55.892+05:302012-09-20T16:26:55.892+05:30@Nischal, Thanks for your comments.
'...BUT S...@Nischal, Thanks for your comments.<br /><br />'...BUT STILL VOTE FOR A SECULAR GOVERNMENT?'<br /><br />Can you suggest a party which is for TRUE secular Govt.? You name one!<br /><br />If not, shall I vote in the elections? or not?<br /><br />If not, that is bigger mistake....<br />I believe biggest mistake an educated, employed decently settled person (not all though) doing during elections is stay away from Voting. <br />Srinivasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-1453946650315763812012-09-20T15:38:50.049+05:302012-09-20T15:38:50.049+05:30@Srinivas
Thank you for a very courteous reply(ra...@Srinivas<br /><br />Thank you for a very courteous reply(rare on these blogs)<br />I agree with your observations on the media portrayal of violence and your statement of the problem. What i disagree with are the solutions as provided by some people on this blog<br /><br />As i have stated earlier,if this post was only about religion,i have no quarrel with sundar raman,simply because there is nothing wrong in practising/popularising your religion.<br />However this post is about religion AND POLITICS and calls for people of a certain religion to vote for a party that will protect their interests.In my opinion,this is unsecular. Why not simply ask people to stand up for Hinduism,shun negative portrayals of Hindus,BUT STILL VOTE FOR A SECULAR GOVERNMENT?<br /><br />In his comments the author also says he wants india to be a hindu state. That is unsecular.<br />I strongly condemn all violence -proactive or reactive simply because innocent people get hurt. <br /><br />All i am saying is keep religion and politics separate. No majority,no minority. Defend Hinduism against negative portrayals,stand up against violence but in the long run,always work towards a truly secular government.<br /><br />-Nischal<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-33300664338770425622012-09-20T11:46:22.176+05:302012-09-20T11:46:22.176+05:30@ Nischal
Noted your comments and also gone thru ...@ Nischal<br /><br />Noted your comments and also gone thru replies between you and Sunderraman, as you pointed my reply to Sunderraman. Iam not playing a judge or mediator here (have no intentions even) but I can assay few things here -<br /><br />From his view, I felt his call is to Hindus to read, understand Hindu dharma, epics and propagate the values system to next generation, who seem to shy away from being Hindu. I agree with him on this, and being Hindu doesn't mean that you hate other religion by default. <br /><br />Also I could understand from his posts is Hindus are divided society and hence subjected to cast / sect politics, so He appeals to Hindus. It is also a fact and I don't disagree except with a caveat that it shouldnt turn into anti-minority which anyway it will not. <br /><br />Next on proactive-reactive violence posts, My experience tells me and I don't remember in last 30yrs that any case of pre-planned organised anti muslim violence pro actively undertaken by Sanghparivar resulting in thousand of minority deaths. But I condemn even reactive violence. <br /><br />I remember ethnic cleansing by Sikhs in 1985-95 and by Muslims in Kashmir in 1990s, both may be padded by ISI, but locals undertook it to see Hindus are persecuted, killed; so cannot escape citing freedom, Azadi etc.. My first hand experience in kashmir is a witness to this. <br /><br />My view -<br /><br />No secularist can mince words to condemn such ethnic cleansing which were pre planned, and was first of its kind to India. But how many from media, blogs, or UPA, and other parties mention it even when they talk of secularism in TV shows or on internet? If anyone rakes it up, he is shunned as non-secular, Hindutva ideologist, Pro-RSS and hence not Indian! <br /><br />So with these reactions, a Hindu if said 'he is a Hindu' being automatically attached to these Parties and hence being looked down or shunned away by fellow Hindus. To me, 'I can be Hindu, talk about disunity, effort for Unity' and still be tolerant to other religions, which is what Hindus has shown thru generations.Srinivasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-89807383674543970122012-09-20T00:25:14.924+05:302012-09-20T00:25:14.924+05:30@Srinivas
I agree that religious hypersensitivity...@Srinivas<br /><br />I agree that religious hypersensitivity,feelings of persecution and injustice is major problem among the Muslim community.the fact that they are insular complicares matters.The worst thing is that these feelings translate into violence.<br /><br />I believe the way to tackle this is to exercise some form of control over religious heads,who attempt to incite violence. Even in Godhra,it was religious heads who urged the mobs.<br /><br />with regard to your comments to Sundar Raman,<br />I would like to say that some people also go overboard to criticize secular feelings just so that they appear loyal to their religion. There is nothing wrong in being secular.There is nothing wrong in BELIEVING THAT ALL RELIGIONS ARE EQUAL.There is nothing wrong in wanting a secular nation ,to want religion to be separate from politics. Just because im secular doesnt mean im hindu-bashing or muslim-bashing. In fact after reading the comments on this blog,im coining a new term "secular-bashing".<br />I never disagreed with the author regarding religious bias,people assumed i did. I never said anything like "only hindus should be secular,muslims can do what they want" people assumed i did. I simply believe that if you believe in secularism,you reinforce it ALL THE WAY.You dont back out just because some other religion appears to be winning. <br />Yes, no party is secular in India. Why is that? Because we never demand it of them. We keep playing their stupid games of divisive politics.<br />- Nischal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-29208832639276846372012-09-20T00:07:02.641+05:302012-09-20T00:07:02.641+05:30@Sundar Raman
"I urge my fellow Hindus also ...@Sundar Raman<br /><br />"I urge my fellow Hindus also to stand out for Hindu unity, by sealing off false notions of casts; so as one day, Hindus can stand out as One religion and not fall prey to divisive cast politics." <br /><br />I would suggest one improvement to this statement.<br /><br />"I urge my fellow INDIANS also to stand out for INDIAN unity, by sealing off false notions of casts; so as one day, INDIA can stand out as One NATION and not fall prey to divisive cast politics."<br /><br />Now its perfect dont you think?<br /><br />Do not forget that the early tactics used by the English to conquer was to create divisions between Muslims and Hindus. <br />I didnt discuss non Hindu violence simply because it was already mentioned in the author's note. And it is clearly mentioned again in the comments that i reposted<br /><br />"I havent refuted any of BC's allegations,i have only disagreed with his reaction."<br /><br />Seems to me that you are hellbent on one upmanship here because you are not reading my comments and putting forth the same arguments again and again. When I engage in discussions,i am not afraid to learn something. I didnt know about the RSS good work,and i said so. I thought srinivas's comments were more clearly articulated than my own,and i said so. <br />And did you check out the links?The truth is out there as for everyone to see. If you had you would've seen secularism being preached to muslims as well(which you said does not happen).<br />You would have seen articles on how difficult it is to be an openly secular muslim and how people go ahead,simply because they believe in it.<br />So i leave this to your conscience - do you actually believe that there are NO true secularists in India,that they are all so called pseudo secularists simply because they dont agree with your point of view?<br /><br />Like you say,facts are out there for you to judge.<br /><br />- NischalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-36674961122753443432012-09-19T16:36:57.399+05:302012-09-19T16:36:57.399+05:30I wish to mention a thing here how religious polar...I wish to mention a thing here how religious polarisation effect each of us.<br /><br />As Indian we all know importance of patriotic song 'Vandemataram...'. Until few years back, it was being practiced by one and all in my school (I studied upto 10th std,long ago) but oflate, some parents of muslim children questioned it as their Mullahs told them it is sin to sing that song hence, their children wont. School obeyed it.<br /><br />But in my childhood, I remember my friend Yezas (a muslim now works in HCC) also used to sing this song and also participate in Moral class where they used to teach some moral stories from Panchatantra, Mahabharat and holy books of other religions as well. We used to get along very well. <br /><br />I still don't understand the real reason for calling it a sin to sing this now, why not then ? Neither the lyrics of it changed Nor the Islam changed. <br /><br />As a Hindu I might assume to be their intolerance, so I want someone have rationale reason ?Srinivasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-43312501023446855902012-09-19T15:56:58.370+05:302012-09-19T15:56:58.370+05:30I could check replys to my post only now.
First o...I could check replys to my post only now.<br /><br />First of all, thanks for expressing similar views as that of me, though in different ways.<br /><br />@Ranjan<br />Sorry to know the sad state of affairs in Old city for minority Hindus. <br /><br />My colleague from Hyderabad tells me that during Hindu festival, there will be power cuts and also shortage of water supply. He says it cant be coincidence that during Bakrid/Ramzan no problems are faced but a week after that they face shortage during Ganapathi festival. As it happened for many years, we cant rule out vested interests at work(sleep?)<br /><br />@SunderRaman<br />I feel mass conversions shall be banned unless on personal choice, as a Hindu, I know for sure we wont canvass for religion to convert. <br /><br />Some time I also feel some of us go overboard to criticize Hindu fundamentalism (If I can say so) just to show more secular feelings.<br /><br />@Pradip<br />I think your experience is more direct (than mine) telling story of educated yet fanatic people growing in Muslims, is a pointer to very difficult for Police to find particularly owing to poor intelligence machinery in India.<br />Srinivasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-26856505271173933752012-09-19T10:28:10.970+05:302012-09-19T10:28:10.970+05:30@Nischal,
Good that atlast it dawned upon you to ...@Nischal,<br /><br />Good that atlast it dawned upon you to give your name and clarify. Had you given your name in the begining itself, I don't need to address you as '@Anon from Karnataka' etc...<br /><br />I have given my name since my first post, and have no problem in my identity that I had to seek Anon help to call anybody pseudo-secular, as you commented. <br /><br />Also I didn't mistook you for Srinivas, as he never discussed only right wing violence as worrisome issue. His post is clear on true secularism is all about, and no rational mind can disagree with him.<br /><br />Since my first post here, I am clear on few things and never ever change from my just position and ie., I urge Hindus to be a Hindu and fear not, to get identified as Hindu. <br /><br />I urge my fellow Hindus also to stand out for Hindu unity, by sealing off false notions of casts; so as one day, Hindus can stand out as One religion and not fall prey to divisive cast politics. Don't you agree ? You can disagree and am not here to blame you for that.<br /><br />Rest of your comments, I leave it to your conscience as bare facts are out there for us to see unless we turn a blind eye. Further self experience is the best experience!<br /><br /><br />All of you, Happy Ganesh Chaturthi<br />Sunder Ramannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-58626509591181922082012-09-18T11:23:21.771+05:302012-09-18T11:23:21.771+05:30oh and the previous comment addressed to Sunder ra...oh and the previous comment addressed to Sunder raman, srinivas and Uber was by me,Nischal.<br /><br />- NischalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-63968420434254653472012-09-18T11:22:29.193+05:302012-09-18T11:22:29.193+05:30PS @ Sunder Raman
Uber212 may have been one of th...PS @ Sunder Raman<br /><br />Uber212 may have been one of the other anons,but he/she is not me. I assume Uber212 replied to your comment simply because i had not replied for a long time. Do not come up with wild conspiracy theories. Even i can say that all the anons who were calling me a pseudo secular are actually the author or you.<br /><br />And finally,though i may not have been able to express myself properly,my views are the same as Srinivas's "true secularism" post. I would only like to add one thing "all political parties must be held to the SAME standards of behaviour as regards to corruption,engaging in unlawful behaviour and the conduct of party workers." (Please do not now say that me and Srinivas are the same person.)<br /><br />@Srinivas<br />Thank you for articulating what i have been trying to explain - what "True" secularism is. Your assessment of the problem is very accurate.<br /><br />@Uber212<br />You're welcome:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-78048995922040017452012-09-18T11:13:37.973+05:302012-09-18T11:13:37.973+05:30@ Sundar Raman
I am anonymous on this blog simply ...@ Sundar Raman<br />I am anonymous on this blog simply because im on a shared computer,and logging in and out every two seconds is not an option.<br /><br />I am the one who was talking about the RSS,HRV and mangalore attacks,but no where in that have i ever postulated that it is indicative of hindus being unsecular. I have simply pointed that out to tell you one thing - all political parties are corrupt. All of them have unlawful activities. I cannot be clearer than this. If you are hell bent on seeing rubbish in my comments,i cant help it.<br /><br /><br />I have been talking about non violence in all of my comments which i will repost now:<br /><br />by force if necessary? What makes you any different from all of the muslim radicals we keep bitching about?<br /><br />Nowhere have i supported psuedo secularism which is used as a cover for political parties intent on their own agenda. I havent refuted any of BC's allegations,i have only disagreed with his reaction. Work towards actual secularism not towards further divisions.<br /><br />not we as Hindus,we as rational human beings. Get rid of violence and violent people no matter what religion they belong to.<br />That's not convent education ,thats humanity. If you cant understand that,no religion or education can save you.or more correctly,save the world from you.<br /><br />I never "branded" Hindus unsecular,i'm one myself.i have clearly explained my opinions,dont put words in my mouth <br /><br />Do understand that there are people who resort to violence in EVERY religion<br /><br />Do not interpret my comments as Hindu Bashing,im simply saying that all people engage in the name of violence.<br /><br />1. I AM NOT SAYING MINORITIES ARE SECULAR AND THE MAJORITY IS NOT<br />2. I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD TOLERATE VIOLENCE<br />3.what i am saying is that we should go for a true secular state(which you agreed to).<br />4.I am saying there are bad people of all religions,which any four year old can tell you.<br />5. I am saying that Hinduism has the most tolerant ideologies,but we need to present it as such by weeding out those elements who use violence as a means of justifying the end.<br /><br />All these comments have been made by me. You can scroll thru and cross check if you want,and the message in them is very clear.<br /><br />Look,Im a hindu by birth and secular by upbringing. An ideal such as secularism is not something you abandon in times of difficulty.In fact the ideal of secularism-treating other religions as equal is part of Hinduism. So i want to stand up for what i believe in.So when political parties do bad things in the name of my religion,i want to oppose them. I will not turn a blind eye.I will tell them "this is NOT what hinduism is about.You cannot call yourself Hindus and do such things." Freedom to personal ideologies is very important to growth as a nation. When political parties play games by pitting one religion against the other,you cant keep falling into the same trap. YOu have to call them on their bluff. <br /><br />As for the links - here they are. Read the comment sections and understand what i mean about TRUE secularists preaching secularism to EVERYONE.<br /><br /><br />indianmuslims.in/is-india-really-a-secular-state/<br />freethoughtnation.com/index.php?option...secular-muslim...<br />insideislam.wisc.edu/index.php/archives/5301<br /><br />- Nischal<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-8463449597187615832012-09-17T21:10:38.253+05:302012-09-17T21:10:38.253+05:30Just few thoughts..
Indian society was always lib... Just few thoughts..<br /><br />Indian society was always liberal in the matter of faith as it believed in unity of God. Traditionally, the Indian majority had nothing against Islam or Christianity. <br /><br />In Muslims there is a sense of "brotherhood". Islamic solidarity or pan-Islamism are all rooted to the Quranic concept of the word 'Umma'. In Christians there is a general sense of "activism" and awareness of identity..<br /><br /> Among Hindus, there are horizontal differences on the basis of language, culture, sects, profession etc as well as vertical differences based on castes and classes.<br /><br />If the Hindus try to understand the spirit of community brotherhood and Team work..maybe one day may be...we would arise, awake and would not stop till we build a better nation together!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-89684381033313592472012-09-15T12:58:30.852+05:302012-09-15T12:58:30.852+05:30@uber212
From your last post referring to 4cha li...@uber212<br /><br />From your last post referring to 4cha link, it is clear neither you are atheist nor true secularist but in the veil of anon you are trying to be secularist but you are neither. read your own post first to reply.Sunder Ramannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-37025736935660478062012-09-15T11:54:19.196+05:302012-09-15T11:54:19.196+05:30Uber 212 go and preach to Saudi ARABIA Libya Yemen...Uber 212 go and preach to Saudi ARABIA Libya Yemen and other islamic countries and stop pontificating here as if u are gods own representative. Ur faith does not allow any scope for secularism so stop pretending to be secular when in minority and demanding aazaaaaaaaaaaaaadi and throwing stones and islamic states when in majority. GET LOST!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-27633649906430204842012-09-15T09:54:41.478+05:302012-09-15T09:54:41.478+05:30@gub
India as a state ought to be pluralistic soc...@gub<br /><br />India as a state ought to be pluralistic society, as it consists of many religions. Our forefathers thought it is well for the country, to be truly secular as it gives equal rights for every religion. In hindsight we shall be happy for that as we are not a failed state yet like Pakistan, if I may say so.<br /><br />However, politics ruined the secular fabric, as Nehru (Article 356 to JnK, Minority constituencies) Indira (for her vote bank politics he used Bhindrenwale in Punjab, and Farooq in Kashmir), Rajiv and VP singh (who were lameduck to pandits being persecuted) have caused collateral damage. <br /><br />Slowly mobocracy started replacing democracy. <br />With the advent of UPA it is just free for all except Hindus. Interfering in Hinduism and appeasing minorities have been the meaning of secularism under UPA. <br /><br />So initial thought was good but implementation was never apolitical. But it is important for Hindus now to realise this as one religion and not bunch of casts, and face it in union, to safe guard out identity.<br /><br />Otherwise, as Srinivas pointed out earlier, Hindus might run helter skelter and mowed down, while select few NRIs may survive. Already we are called 'Internet Hindus' soon may turn out be religion in extinction.<br />Sunder Ramannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2738809571056614827.post-17884478835972520352012-09-15T09:40:57.549+05:302012-09-15T09:40:57.549+05:30@uber212
Seems you have not seen all my posts on...@uber212 <br /><br />Seems you have not seen all my posts on this blog. Anyways, if you are the Ananymous from Karnataka discussing with me about RSS,HRV earlier, I tell you again preaching secularism to Hindus who are already secular is like 'Teacher punishing a boy for being right'. <br /><br />Simply put I believe in 'It is not communal to say being a Hindu, fear not to have my identity'. I am for true secular country and not what some UPA followers propagate it as 'Minority appeasing is secularism' Sunder Ramannoreply@blogger.com